When I first decided I wanted to try cruise life, I wanted to be a musician. More specifically, I wanted to be a drummer. But I can’t read music and I didn’t know any other musicians at the time. To this day, this is a part of me who wishes I could have had the musician experience on ships.
So in order for me to know more about the cruise ship musician lifestyle, I have interviewed Jordan Martin. An incredibly talented bass and guitar player who has extensive experience as a cruise ship musician.
Also, please check out Jordan’s channel. He is a great person and he is a super awesome guy. His channel is more than cruise ship information. He talks about life, chasing your dreams, and doing what it takes to be happy. Absolutely check him out.
If you have any questions for Jordan, don’t hesitate to reach out to him:
what's it like as a musician on a cruise ship welcome to coffee with Sean I'm Sean today I'm gonna do something a little differently I was a videographer on cruise ships but not many of you know I actually wanted to be a musician on a cruise ship but when I started looking into it I realized I didn't know how to read music and that's a big part of some of the cruise ship jobs as a musician and I also didn't know any other musicians at the time so I was kind of stuck but fortunately I ended up being a broadcast tech something I really really enjoyed but today I have a good friend of mine Jordan who actually was a musician and I guess kind of still is back and forth because it is contract-based on cruise ships but I thought it'd be a great idea to get a musicians perspective on cruise life but more importantly I want to know what it's like being a musician on a cruise ship so Jordan thank you so much I was going to do some questions and try and get for myself you know to get to know more about what it's like being a musician but I know that there's a lot of viewers out there who also would like to know if that's cool with you absolutely happy to help awesome all right Jordan what instrument do you play well I play I play a lot of different instruments I went to school for bass and I also play guitar so with regard to to the ship life aspect I was I was playing bass on one contract and then guitar on two contracts how long have you been playing bass and guitar well guitar for like going on like 20 years but that's that's because I picked it up when I was like 12 but I've been I went to school to play bass actually so that was when I was about 20 years old ish and then I started learning how to play professionally so I learned how to play bass professionally when I was about 20 years old and then I stuck with that until a couple of years ago when I wanted to get into guitar more and I didn't start playing guitar professionally until ship actually so yeah wide view ships a great question um it it never really occurred to me to do ships initially because I didn't even know was a thing back in 2013 my buddy Isaac he asked me if I wanted to join cruise ships and what turned me off was the whole contract aspect of it cuz it's like kind of on/off and you don't really get vacation pay so you got to be really good about your money and at the time I was working at a law firm and I figured well I'm already making X amount of dollars per month so what I might as well do is just stick with what I've got and then after that maybe two years later I came back from Hawaii didn't have a job and then yeah I just figured well why not give it a shot so at that point I was I was playing a little bit more and I was dabbling in playing bass and playing guitar and audio production things like that and I figured well I might as well give it a shot because I know that music makes me happy and who knows what what what being on ship is gonna be like I had no idea and I was feeling pretty adventurous so just to come come around full circle here why ships I don't really know initially initially I could give you the you know I could give you the cell now you know after after two years of experience but why I started is that was just like you know jumping in feet-first if I'm a musician Jordan how do I go about getting a gig on a cruise ship it's alright it's hard enough getting a gig on land I can't imagine like getting a gig at sea right well the thing is it first of all depends on what you want to do right so there are different positions that are available for example you could you could be a solo guitarist you could be in a quartet a trio depending on the ship that you go on whether or not they that kind of thing you could be in a duo whatever or you could be in for example the house band the house band which they call the orchestra on celebrity for that particular position you have to be able to sight-read music really really well because the way that it works is they do the production shows as well right yes absolutely and then sometimes they end up doing little shows around the ship as well like like jazz night and and different kinds of stuff like that yeah absolutely um and it's really cool to be in that group but the reason why you have to be able to read music really well is because you get one rehearsal and then you play that same night so that rehearsal is is so that you can get used to the music but also get used to the cues get used to the way that the the the guest entertainer wants to perform so on and so forth all of the other positions they if they don't necessarily require you to be able to play music oh excuse me read music play music yeah you can't play if you can't read music it's totally fine because it's like if you can still play it and look the part and act the part like they don't care you know like you're still gonna be entertaining regardless so in order for you to get started the number one thing is to have some type of press pack and that would be for example a video of you playing some photos of yourself or your group and a repertoire list now all of these again depend on what position you're going for when when I was in the jazz band obviously the repertoire the repertoire didn't have to be so big because in jazz you can improv for like 10 15 20 minutes I remember when I was on the ship in a jazz quartet we had a 45-minute set we played two of the tunes we played for like 35 minutes because you know we were just soloing for forever so the repertory doesn't necessarily have to be so big but again if you are in a man for example you have to know like five six hundred songs because you're expected to play the hits and for the most part exactly as they're played and so sometimes you're playing like three and a half minute Tunes so you may need a twenty song set so so yeah though that's pretty much how you get started there are some cruise lines where you can apply directly to them I I may be wrong but I think Norwegian you can apply directly with them to be a musician but for a lot of cruise lines you either need to have an an agent or it's extremely helpful so so yeah finding an agent isn't that hard to do there are a few that are really big like Landau entertainment and zoom in music but applying with them you just have to submit and then what they do is they have a particular standard that they know you know because of over the course of time they're like we know what works we know what doesn't and you know they'll even help you throughout the process like here's here's what may help you land the gig better because it only serves to help them they get you the gig they get the money so yeah going through an agent is really gonna help you because they're supposed to take care of everything all on the front end and so all you're doing is you're focusing on your music and you pretty much board the ship you don't have to worry about a lot of paperwork or anything besides you know your general things that you have to take care of like medical and whatever which and that's what all crew members have to do anyway exactly exactly did you prefer your jazz quartet or did you before when you were in your duo that's that's really tough because they were completely different so here's what I really liked about being in a quartet it you feel a lot more involved in in bouncing your energy off different people so we had a singer and then we had the the rhythm section which was guitar bass and drums and then sometimes the singer wouldn't even play and we would just jam and the the biggest difference between being in a quartet versus a duo is that sometimes you really feel like you're this is not the right word I'm looking for but kind of alone but you're not alone you're with somebody else but it's very isolated so your sound so for example I was the guitarist in in the duo and what that meant was like I was holding it down like the only oh yeah I was gonna say like you're the only instrument aside from voice so you're basically everything else whereas backing the you know the vocal absolutely so sometimes it just felt really empty to me because I'm you still really big full sound and also because I play bass like I'm used to having the low end there and you know when I play guitar to me it sounds kind of empty but because I come from a bass background I try to fill that in as much as possible so those that's the main thing that that was the biggest difference but the other the the other side one reason why I like the dual better is because I feel like you have a little bit more freedom when you don't have to bounce ideas across to sometimes even three different people and try to communicate with them onstage and it's only one other person you can kind of go left go right or you know turn around or whatever and there's only one person that has to follow you or vice versa you know if if the singer wouldn't usually you follow the singer if the singer decides to go left okay well I guess I'm going left now versus if the whole band has to go left all of a sudden sometimes that leads you like into a ditch right so yeah that's the thing but also when you're in a quartet you know there's just there's there's you have more opportunity for camaraderie you know so when I was in the duo I was I was with I do a partner Lacey and usually when you see duos on ships they're couples and Lacey and I are not a couple so that was an interesting situation because we were always hang out but at the same time it's like you know like the guy girl interaction but it's not like I'm chilling with a dude all the time right my buddy Isaac who got me on the ships in the first place he was on my first contract so I would be up drinking with him till like 6:00 in the morning we'd stay all the way up until breakfast grab breakfast in the mess and then go to sleep but so you know things like that but you know I don't know too many girls who were down to do things like that at least not for an extended period of time so that was the cool thing about the quartet you know I had my boys anyway so those are the those are the general things that I can think of off the top of my head on which what I liked about quartets versus versus the duo's I can't give you a definitive like this one's better than the other because they both have their strengths and weaknesses did you get paid the same for both of those situations no actually um when I was in the quartet I was getting paid slightly less because the bandleader naturally makes more however when when I went into the duo I felt like we had a really good product a really good thing going on and I actually negotiated a couple hundred bucks more and then I was making in in the in the quartet so it kind of just depends is that is that something that that people should be aware of that if you are an artist but more specifically if I guess if you're if you're if you're going through an agency you actually do have some power to negotiate what you can make is that is all right it's not it's not always like here's what it is you know because the industry is it there's always a little bit of wiggle room and I feel like this is where a lot of people get kind of scared because in this particular type of industry you know with people who who don't have a lot of experience they end up getting their selves in is situations where they're really excited and they wanna play and perform because this is what they've dedicated their lives to but then what ends up happening is they get a gig and they're like oh that's a little bit less than I was like I was expecting but I don't want to mess this up so I'll just I guess I'll just take it versus just asking because you never know what's gonna happen you know if you ask and they're like no we can't afford it like that though I don't see any reason why an agency or or a cruise line would go oh you're asking for way too much let's just go with the other guys you know when they've already chosen you for a reason right I think you shoot you shouldn't be afraid to negotiate right you should and because like you said you are bringing a product of value and I would say because I was also in the entertainment department and the entertainment side of the cruise ship is a huge reason people go on these ships so you have value as an artist as a musician as an entertainer right and you should feel like you deserve to be compensated for it in many ways the entertainment department especially the performers are treated very differently on the ship because of what we do naturally exactly you know like people come and you like it can be argued for pretty much any department or like no you know our departments the most important and this isn't that but and I'm not trying to get into that debate but the the thing is it's like a lot of people they need things to do right and so you know not just talking about the performers but we talked about you know entertainment like activities you know you got you staff and stuff like that you know people on the ship need things to do you know just because there's food is just because there's gambling you know but they need the entertainment they want they want the the energy the action so yeah it's it's they treat us a little bit differently the entertainment department in in many ways not all around what um what equipment did you bring and like if I'm guitar players should I bring all five of my guitars and like and and we're we're on a cruise ship do you even store this kind of stuff let's start with what you should bring in general now I I'm gonna answer this with respect to what what I brought only because it's like there are there are a whole bunch of different types of acts on the ship and sometimes a lot of people bring a lot of electronics and stuff like that but for the traditional type of duo or person joining a group what I'm gonna say is you don't try to bring as little as possible right I mean if you're in a party band you need the pedals okay sure but I mean the thing is you don't want to be lugging around a 25 pound pedal case plus your guitar plus all your cables in like a backpack or something like that every single night to each set because you may not have a dedicated venue a lot of times you'll be playing in the grand foyer and then you'll be playing in a lounge and then later on you may be poolside and so each time you got to set your stuff up and take it back down and your sets are about 45 minutes to an hour so it's not even like you're like it's like it would be worth it to bring your whole rig you don't need to bring your amp or anything like that generally speaking what I would recommend is obviously bring your guitar bring two cables just in case one fails if well I should say bring an extra cable because you might need several cables so bring an extra cable because one might fail bring multiple packs of strings and and yeah minimize the amount of stuff that you need if you don't need that extra wah pedal or something like that don't bring it you know if you only use it for like one song screw it or if you can minimize and get smaller pedals I know they have those really small ones get those instead it's gonna save you the headache later plus the fees when you take stuff like that on planes is just ridiculous and I know that I know that the cruise line will compensate you back for some of your luggage but I don't think they're gonna pay you if you want to bring 10 guitars and your half stack stuff right absolutely not and and that's and that's and that's what I mean by you know take only the essentials cuz like okay I get it maybe you want to bring an acoustic and you want to bring an electric cuz that's like part of your sound that's that's that's what you were hired for okay fine but you know even if the company is going to reimburse you 100 percent a lot of that is the headache of Atilla hassle stuff yeah because I mean you still have to bring all your clothes and stuff like that so when I travel I have one large suitcase full of all my clothes and shoes and so on and so forth and I have my backpack full of my electronics that never leave my side and and then I have my music equipment so whether it would be my bass or my guitar whatever it may be I I bring that stuff and that's pretty much it so I'm only carrying like three maybe four things and you really want to limit yourself to that because you know after doing after doing two years of ships going back and forth between countries if you're taking more instruments than you need to you're also risking damaging more instruments than you need to and losing it exactly and losing it as well or being stolen you know anything could happen yeah yeah you're absolutely right anything could happen along the way because once that instrument is out of your sight you don't know what the heck happens to it for some reason after my second contract when I got my acoustic guitar back my the the truss rod in my get in the neck of my guitar had popped out and the the electronic box on the side of the guitar was smashed in and my guitar case was half open when it came out of the conveyor belt and I was really pissed about it I mean but there was nothing I could really do so I fixed it the best I couldn't luckily it still sounds fine I had to put some gaff tape on the on the electronics box because now when I play it rattles so yeah the the try not to bring too many too many instruments and along those lines if you don't have to bring your five six seven thousand dollar guitar don't bring it you know I bought I specifically bought a four hundred dollar guitar for ships so that in the event that what happened happens you know I'm like okay fine I bought this specifically for that because I have another classical guitar over here that's way nicer it doesn't have any pickups but I could have easily you know brought that and miked it up but that one I didn't even want to risk it so I spent the extra money a lot of things about ship life is is you you it's compromise and and I feel like when you start talking about artists and they're really going for a sound and people who are very experienced to get really picky with like what they're trying to go for but something I try and stress a lot is that the cruise ships is not what it is on land it's never gonna be what you think it's gonna be and you you have to kind of be able to adjust on the fly and make the best of what you have you know so and I agree with you I don't think a $7,000 guitar whether or not it sounds good is going to be the best choice I spoke with a one of the show band guitarist when I was on my last ship because I asked him a similar question like you know what kind of guitar you said and and he said he had about eight guitars but he said he chose a guitar specifically that would like he has one guitar back home that's just for jazz right and another guitar that's just for rock you know but on the ship you you you said I wanted to bring one guitar so he found a guitar that was good enough at everything because especially as the the show band guitar player you're playing all different kinds of music anyway all different genres and so it's like it's you know sometimes you just have to you kind of have to adjust your own lifestyle to match what is even possible on the ship absolutely absolutely and I think that's a great word that you use compromise because yeah it's never gonna be as convenient as home I mean granted it's really hard to find consistent work like this on land where you're playing every single day for like three four five six months straight sometimes even more if your contract gets extended but you know because of that you have to deal with the with floating on a ship you know and and in working with what they have there and dealing with flying twelve to twenty hours or what however you no longer flight is dealing with the flights so so yeah and and the other thing is I mean it's cool to see a really awesome instrumentalists you know with their with their acts onstage and you know it's like a seven thousand guitar dollar guitar or something like that but you know if you can if you can get away with something else that sounds just as good why not so that's that's great that you mentioned that guy who found something that was like middle-of-the-road where it did everything that he needed to do perfect you know because at the end of the day it's it's what what we're playing for they're not concerts you know a lot of the time it's just like oh hey that's cool and someone will come down there and they'll watch and then they'll forget Yeah right and then they'll go about their day you know at least at least from like a quartet standpoint you know the party band may be a little bit different but still you know like it's it's it's it's not like you're in a lunar and Skinner tribute band right how how long how long will your contracts and and going back to what I asked before about the eight like you can you can kind of negotiate your your money can you negotiate your contract link are there things like that you can also do yeah um so as far as negotiating goes money money is one of them yeah absolutely you can't necessarily negotiate your contract length in the sense that you're like no I don't want to do that you but you can't do filling contracts because sometimes they have those available my first contract in a duo was actually a fill-in contract because okay so weird city when that happened right mm 2016 I was supposed to hop on a contract at the end of August and then it was supposed to be like a month and a half ending ending like October and then pick up pick back up at the end of November and then from there do another six-month contract all of that stuff got messed up that first initial fill-in got messed up and they cancelled that and then the second one got bumped up to I think like the beginning of October and so now we didn't we didn't have anything for like six months and so I talked to my agent I said you know find us something and so he said okay and he found us a month and a half fill-in contract because something happened with that with the previous duel on the ship and and yeah we stepped in for a month and a half and these things happen fairly often and I'm I'm a clear example of it because my dual partner got pregnant on the ship and so she had to leave and so our contract was cut short so another duo came in and filled in the last month and a half of our contract so these things happened I don't know if I want to say all the time but they happen often enough where if you would tell your agent like look I'm looking for short contracts please consider me for for those you know that could be the case because sometimes people may not want the short contracts maybe they're really short sometimes you'll you'll come across something that's like a week week-and-a-half that's like a super filling and and if if you're on the agents roster they'll send you that email and say we we need someone who's ready to go tomorrow you know we're gonna fly you out and then it's a two-week contract for a guitarist who can fill in in a party band or for the orchestra or whatever and so sometimes those things do happen and so yeah I would just I would just suggest if if that's something need that you wanted to I guess you could say negotiate with with your agency absolutely just let them know I only want to be considered for this length of contract nothing too permanent because I did a couple people on the ship who who were still in school buddy of mine that I met on the first contract he's a trumpet player and he was only there for like a month he was like yeah I'm on break from school but I got to go back and and yeah every now and then I see him back on contracts I think he was uh I think he's about to hop back on one or he was just on one or something like that you know Facebook I see pictures and stuff like that but um yeah that that I would definitely say it's it's somewhat negotiable in that sense and I kind of went off on a little rant there and and I lost track of what your question was no yeast part I think you answered it just fine okay um you're currently not on ships right now why did you uh why did you step out the reason why I'm not on I the reason why I why I originally stopped was not really my choice my dual partner got pregnant and you know she had to leave I was on the ship by myself for about almost two weeks before they switched they switched me out with another duo cuz they couldn't have two solo guitars on the ship if it wasn't for that I'd probably still be on ships right now but I will say that as you progress through your you know your ship life career what happens is you start to realize all the things that you're not so fond of on ships like drills or you know the the corporate military structure that that is a huge turnoff you know and and a lot of these things you don't really have to worry about this on land especially as a musician you know like the last thing that I want to think about as a musician is waking up at freakin 8 o'clock in the morning so that I can put on a you know a bright orange vest run up the stairs like three or four or five decks or something like that stand around and pretend like I'm assuring people into you know the theater and then some dude comes around marks you off he may even ask you how many people fit into lifeboats and and I'm like on my toes because if I can't answer that question he's gonna make me go to training anyway I digress so there's so many other things that that I that I don't like about ships that really turn me off so it's it's like it's like what what what is what is worth it for me now I always think back if I would have started doing ships when I was really young like 22 23 fresh you know fresh out of college or something like that ready to go man I would have enjoyed the heck out of at a ship life and yeah I'd probably I'd probably enjoy it for you know four or five six years you know I don't know focus on saving some money and then go do something else one thing that really struck me was that when you're on ships you really have to be focused on what's ahead right if you don't plan on being ships if you don't plan on being on ships for the next like ten years or something like that then what's next for you and how are you building toward that right now so you may be on ships and then you get off ships five years later and then realize well yeah maybe you save it up some money but you're starting off from scratch on land because you haven't built any connections you haven't done anything for yourself back home especially as a musician you know when I come back to Los Angeles after having done a contract but nobody cares you know like they didn't they didn't see you you're not building a fan base like the best you can do is have material to show which would be great but again you know and also you can only save up so much money when you're on the ships too so yeah there's not a lot of opportunities to make more money along the same lines of that and generally what happens if he is if you try to sell material on the ship as well the ship will take a cut so you know sometimes it's like a 50/50 thing so it's like if I'm selling a CD for 20 bucks I'm now making only 10 when back on land I would have made like $18 off of it or something like that so there's a lot of things but um but yeah the main thing that turned me off from working on ships is the fact that I don't know what I'm building for myself back on land how I'm setting myself up for you know having a family you know owning a house things like that so but along the other side of that I did happen to you know we had a conversation the other day Sean that I I mentioned that I may hop back on ships and the the reason why I'm also still considering it is because well the fun aspect still still appeals to me even though I'm pushing 31 I still feel like I'm 21 mentally my body still tells me I'm not 21 but you know every now and then I think to myself that would be kind of cool what I know is gonna happen is I hop on the ship and then three or four months later after the ship I'm like oh that's why I remember now why I don't want to be on ships anymore and that's how you end up with those people who you see on the ship and they're like yeah this is my last contract and then you see them again on a contract and like hey wasn't leave your last one your last one you and then they say yeah no for real though this is my last one and it happens over and over and over again now with that said do you think it's worth it to be a musician and and do a contract on a cruise ship a great question because that depends on what you want to do with your musician career right if if what you're trying to do is build your chops and just practice and get a gig a professional gig that pays you're not worried about anything else maybe you're like fresh out of college or whatever then yeah absolutely go to ships but if you are trying to build a following establish yourself as a professional musician so that people can see you you should stay on land as I mentioned before you know like it if you it's cool to be able to say like yeah I play on cruise ships you know I play internationally and this isn't this but the fact of the matter is when you get home nobody knows you you know you'll you may have material to show them so on and so forth but you haven't been grinding on the scene you know there's a difference when you go home and then if you're if you're playing like you do on ships on land man everybody's gonna know you if you have somewhere to play every single night there's no way that you wouldn't be able to make it now it's not as easy to play every single night on land but again you know what's what's what's more worth it trying to try to grind it out on land or you know taking the relatively easier way and going on ships again it just depends on what you're looking for for me because when I hopped on ships I I had no intention of trying to make it as a professional musician in the sense that you know I'm trying to build a reputation back home like yeah ships is perfect for me it was definitely worth it for me because I it was it was it was more about the opportunity to to have an adventure to to make some extra money and just to really expand my horizons there was nothing else in my life that really taught me about the world like being on a cruise ship and experiencing other cultures and that wasn't just from like visiting the ports I'm talking about just being on the ship being exposed to all of these different all these different people I never met Serbians before I'd never met Greek people before and they're fun to drink with I think I agree with you earlier you said that if you would start it on ships when you were a bit younger maybe 21 or 22 you might still be doing it I've actually said that before you know I've I finished school and I tried to figure out my life for about four years on land and then I join ships when I was 25 and age isn't always the the main factor in people's lives but when I decided to to finish ships you know I kind of similar to you I said you know I I know what it's like on land I know what it takes to to have a life on land and part of me toward the end of my my time on ships I was feeling that you know the longer I'm on ships the less I can do on land but with that said if I think if you want to be on ships and you want to perform or do whatever like you could you could definitely have a career on a cruise ship you can people do it for 20 years I mean 30 years like if you want if you look because some people love it and and I would say I'm envious of those people because they've found their passion and there's nothing wrong with that in my very first video ever recorded what I was trying to say was for me I felt that once I got that idea that cruise ships might be something fun to do it was like it was planted in my brain and I and it was it wasn't going away and I knew that I just I needed to try because even if I hated it at least I tried and and and that's what I tell people I said especially if you're young and if you a musician oh if anyone has to me hey I just graduated from school I studied music and you have no idea what you're doing absolutely why not plan a cruise ship glad you said you play every day you played three four or five sets every day you're gonna read me if you're in the show band and you're gonna read music every day and like and I love what you're talking about you have a guest entertainer comes on the ship you have one rehearsal with all new music and then you play two full shows like that's that's kind of crazy but it's it's awesome it's fun it's quick but with with everything with cruise ships you know it's it's compromise it's compromise with your lifestyle on the ship it's compromise like you were saying earlier with the things you give up on land in order to be on the ship you know what I mean many musicians I speak with say things like you know I did a contract but I started to feel that the longer I'm away from home the the the less relevant I am back home and and all the time I've spent back home creating a circle of musicians and gigging and you know and and networking that I've done I feel like it's it's withering away the longer I'm gone and so you know with everything there's pros and there's cons and you just have to do it and figure out whether or not the pros outweigh the cons you know for you and and that goes with any job you know not not just guitar players that goes with any position on the cruise ship because I had a lot of fun until the end and I started saying I think it's probably a better decision for me now to not do ships but never in a million years have I ever regretted being on ships it was great I'm so happy that I did it and I I feeling that you you definitely feel the same way as well absolutely I wouldn't I wouldn't change it for the world I mean you know of all the negative experience I've ever had on ships my positive ones they lately far outweigh them and you know it's it's moving on is only a matter of maturity you know and that kind of goes back to you know what we're talking about just if we would have started younger you know like we're not bound by necessarily by the same constraints that we are now that we're older you know whether it's bills or whether it's having to grow up and you know own these things not saying that because we're 30 that we still have to do these things now but it just becomes just a very real even more of a real factor thank you so much for coming on and talking to me about being a musician I was really excited to have the opportunity to learn kind of more than just my one job that I that I uh that I had on the cruise ship Sean thanks so much for having me on it's definitely definitely a pleasure and and you know I hope that that your viewers definitely took some value in in things that we were able to discuss today and I I would encourage anybody who has an inkling to join cruise ships just to do it and if you're thinking about being a musician just go out there and do it use this video as inspiration that it's not that difficult to start and you know utilize the answers that that you've that you found here today as as a starting point so thanks again Sean thank you for watching coffee with Sean go check out Jordans channel he has more than just cruise ship stuff he has an entire of vlog he talks about everything about life he's he's really really good about helping people kind of follow what makes them happy you know he's he's very inspiring and he's a great guy to talk to I love what he does and he actually he tries really hard to make good videos too and as a videographer I really appreciate the quality and the attention to detail he puts on his vlog so definitely go check him out subscribe to his channel so you can get all the new videos when he posts on his vlog and if you have any questions about cruise ship stuff you can reach out to me or reach out to him definitely or any questions about being a musician definitely talked to Jordan he's a great resource and just an awesome guy so thanks again Jordan and for you guys go find an audition and get on a cruise ship